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	<title>Comments on: Need Moodle feedback please</title>
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		<title>By: rj</title>
		<link>http://www.crucialthought.com/2006/11/10/need-moodle-feedback-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1423</link>
		<dc:creator>rj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does your district AUP say about open access to student work?  That may decide thing for you.  Student privacy should trump open access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does your district AUP say about open access to student work?  That may decide thing for you.  Student privacy should trump open access.</p>
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		<title>By: atw</title>
		<link>http://www.crucialthought.com/2006/11/10/need-moodle-feedback-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>atw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that people who work with under 18&#039;s (and I did, for 11 years; now I work at the University level) have some special considerations.  In fact, even though I work with 18-20s now, I still worry about the same things!

I prefer the &quot;walled garden&quot; for a lot of things.  What I *like* is to have it both ways.  So what is the possibility of only having the chat room open at times that YOU control?  Is it important to have it open 24/7?  Can you have a moderator for times you can&#039;t supervise on-line yourself? However you proceed, you will need to do some training!  What is and is not acceptable, and also what to do if you get involved in something that is not acceptable.  I am wondering why they want to do all this on your server!  In my experience, they were fairly content to use the school software for academic work and used the social networking software for the social stuff.  MOSTLY because a) Big Brother (me) was watching and b) all their friends were not on the school system, so they went elsewhere.  Of course I was as a small school (60-80 per grade level).  That surely made a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that people who work with under 18&#8242;s (and I did, for 11 years; now I work at the University level) have some special considerations.  In fact, even though I work with 18-20s now, I still worry about the same things!</p>
<p>I prefer the &#8220;walled garden&#8221; for a lot of things.  What I *like* is to have it both ways.  So what is the possibility of only having the chat room open at times that YOU control?  Is it important to have it open 24/7?  Can you have a moderator for times you can&#8217;t supervise on-line yourself? However you proceed, you will need to do some training!  What is and is not acceptable, and also what to do if you get involved in something that is not acceptable.  I am wondering why they want to do all this on your server!  In my experience, they were fairly content to use the school software for academic work and used the social networking software for the social stuff.  MOSTLY because a) Big Brother (me) was watching and b) all their friends were not on the school system, so they went elsewhere.  Of course I was as a small school (60-80 per grade level).  That surely made a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Lader</title>
		<link>http://www.crucialthought.com/2006/11/10/need-moodle-feedback-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1414</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Lader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>POatOops, patch is here - http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=55934</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POatOops, patch is here &#8211; <a  href="http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=55934" rel="nofollow">http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=55934</a></p>
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		<title>By: Art Lader</title>
		<link>http://www.crucialthought.com/2006/11/10/need-moodle-feedback-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Lader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

We have applied a patch that permits students to IM with teachers only. If we have teachers who want their satudents to be able to IM with each other, we will think about reverting to the old behavior.

We simply found that the students&#039; IMing (is that a word?) was often inappropriate for a school site and was mostly unrelated to instruction. 

Where I live and teach, we take the view, &quot;Better safe than sorry.&quot; We really have to operate this way. This may not be true of your school district, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>We have applied a patch that permits students to IM with teachers only. If we have teachers who want their satudents to be able to IM with each other, we will think about reverting to the old behavior.</p>
<p>We simply found that the students&#8217; IMing (is that a word?) was often inappropriate for a school site and was mostly unrelated to instruction. </p>
<p>Where I live and teach, we take the view, &#8220;Better safe than sorry.&#8221; We really have to operate this way. This may not be true of your school district, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: mrc</title>
		<link>http://www.crucialthought.com/2006/11/10/need-moodle-feedback-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>mrc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 07:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are tough questions, especially when working with minors.  I don&#039;t know enough about the law to know exactly where you stand.  But if I were running this with my students I would let them chat for a few reasons:

1. It&#039;s going to increase their engagement with the content.  (As you note.)

2. They&#039;re going to IM or MySpace anyway and talk to each other how ever they want anyway.

3. You should tell them that you have logs of the chats, so if anything happens they know they are responsible for what they said.  This gives you the benefit of being able to keep an eye on them not only for language and behavior, but also to see what their points of confusion are about the material being learned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are tough questions, especially when working with minors.  I don&#8217;t know enough about the law to know exactly where you stand.  But if I were running this with my students I would let them chat for a few reasons:</p>
<p>1. It&#8217;s going to increase their engagement with the content.  (As you note.)</p>
<p>2. They&#8217;re going to IM or MySpace anyway and talk to each other how ever they want anyway.</p>
<p>3. You should tell them that you have logs of the chats, so if anything happens they know they are responsible for what they said.  This gives you the benefit of being able to keep an eye on them not only for language and behavior, but also to see what their points of confusion are about the material being learned.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://www.crucialthought.com/2006/11/10/need-moodle-feedback-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1343</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 05:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My district is running Moodle as the &quot;walled garden&quot; you descibed with our junior high students and it works fairly well.  Reading their messages back and forth and be somewhat shocking, but I try to remember that is is really no worse than what I hear on the play ground.  The students know that I regularly read the message logs and I think that limits them somewhat.  I primarily use the chat feature the night before a test. I will open a chat room for students to enter at a certain time to ask questions of each other while I am monitoring it.  Opening Moodle up to the outside world is a great idea in an ideal world.  Unfortunately it isn&#039;t.  Have you thought of having a separate blog which your students can access from inside of Moodle but still get feedback from outside members of the world?  Like using an Edublog?  That is what I recently started doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My district is running Moodle as the &#8220;walled garden&#8221; you descibed with our junior high students and it works fairly well.  Reading their messages back and forth and be somewhat shocking, but I try to remember that is is really no worse than what I hear on the play ground.  The students know that I regularly read the message logs and I think that limits them somewhat.  I primarily use the chat feature the night before a test. I will open a chat room for students to enter at a certain time to ask questions of each other while I am monitoring it.  Opening Moodle up to the outside world is a great idea in an ideal world.  Unfortunately it isn&#8217;t.  Have you thought of having a separate blog which your students can access from inside of Moodle but still get feedback from outside members of the world?  Like using an Edublog?  That is what I recently started doing.</p>
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