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		<title>By: The Difference Between Living Life And Not &#124; The Future Buzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Difference Between Living Life And Not &#124; The Future Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Honeymoon&#8217;s over</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Honeymoon&#8217;s over</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Human Relations &#171; Educational Discourse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Human Relations &#171; Educational Discourse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Meyer, he doesn&#8217;t get it at all. Now, Dan has made a few bold statements about tv, teachers and ability to engage students. I won&#8217;t go into details, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Meyer</title>
		<link>http://www.crucialthought.com/2007/06/19/i-am-not-anti-television-i-just-dont-watch-it/comment-page-1/#comment-21879</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought I was done with this but since you&#039;ve put the ad hominem attacks on pause, I don&#039;t mind picking it up again.

Our presuppositions are totally missing each other here, which makes debating the specifics as frustrating as you&#039;ve experienced.

You ask me what I&#039;m doing to distract kids from t.v., as if t.v., by its very nature, were a trap I needed to coax kids away from.  But I regard t.v., at its very nature, just like I do blogs, books, free speech, movies, music, and a free-standing block of marble: totally innocuous.

Both personally and professionally, however rarely t.v. comes up, I push kids and friends towards shows that are interesting, thought-provoking, inspiring, and entertaining, shows that do more than just flatter their viewer, that do more than just pander to their viewer&#039;s presuppositions of the world, shows that breach the realm of art.  (If we can describe books, music, movies, and sculpture as &quot;art&quot; but not t.v. then I&#039;ll need &quot;art&quot; defined for me.)

Even more enthusiastically than that, though, I push kids towards moderation, towards a varied life which includes education, recreation, exercise, and, yeah, entertainment.

From your comments, I gather you see t.v. standing opposite these goals (while, presumably, blogs, books, movies, and music do not).  Or perhaps you think t.v. can achieve those goals but isn&#039;t worth the cost of all these students sitting on their barcaloungers watching hours of junk every day.  You&#039;ve also mentioned a dissatisfaction that t.v. isn&#039;t educational, which strikes me a bit like complaining that an apple isn&#039;t an orange.

Anyway, our base suppositions are so far out of sync, our not finding common ground on this won&#039;t surprise me.  At the very least, you&#039;ve gotta know that my friends and I are e-mailing, positively abuzz over this issue.  We&#039;re excited like I&#039;ve rarely seen us by the vast potential of &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; medium to edify its audience.  T.V., in particular, is undergoing an audience-driven renaissance (c.f. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nutsonline.com/jericho&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the &lt;em&gt;Jericho&lt;/em&gt; nuts campaign&lt;/a&gt;) .  We all think this is an exciting time to be alive and the more communication mediums at the party the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I was done with this but since you&#8217;ve put the ad hominem attacks on pause, I don&#8217;t mind picking it up again.</p>
<p>Our presuppositions are totally missing each other here, which makes debating the specifics as frustrating as you&#8217;ve experienced.</p>
<p>You ask me what I&#8217;m doing to distract kids from t.v., as if t.v., by its very nature, were a trap I needed to coax kids away from.  But I regard t.v., at its very nature, just like I do blogs, books, free speech, movies, music, and a free-standing block of marble: totally innocuous.</p>
<p>Both personally and professionally, however rarely t.v. comes up, I push kids and friends towards shows that are interesting, thought-provoking, inspiring, and entertaining, shows that do more than just flatter their viewer, that do more than just pander to their viewer&#8217;s presuppositions of the world, shows that breach the realm of art.  (If we can describe books, music, movies, and sculpture as &#8220;art&#8221; but not t.v. then I&#8217;ll need &#8220;art&#8221; defined for me.)</p>
<p>Even more enthusiastically than that, though, I push kids towards moderation, towards a varied life which includes education, recreation, exercise, and, yeah, entertainment.</p>
<p>From your comments, I gather you see t.v. standing opposite these goals (while, presumably, blogs, books, movies, and music do not).  Or perhaps you think t.v. can achieve those goals but isn&#8217;t worth the cost of all these students sitting on their barcaloungers watching hours of junk every day.  You&#8217;ve also mentioned a dissatisfaction that t.v. isn&#8217;t educational, which strikes me a bit like complaining that an apple isn&#8217;t an orange.</p>
<p>Anyway, our base suppositions are so far out of sync, our not finding common ground on this won&#8217;t surprise me.  At the very least, you&#8217;ve gotta know that my friends and I are e-mailing, positively abuzz over this issue.  We&#8217;re excited like I&#8217;ve rarely seen us by the vast potential of <em>any</em> medium to edify its audience.  T.V., in particular, is undergoing an audience-driven renaissance (c.f. <a  href="http://www.nutsonline.com/jericho" rel="nofollow">the <em>Jericho</em> nuts campaign</a>) .  We all think this is an exciting time to be alive and the more communication mediums at the party the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Christopherson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Christopherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, What are you doing to engage kids away from tv? What options are you actually doing - what tangible things are you doing to demonstrate to kids that, yes, there are options other than watching television? Or do you just talk? Do you get past talking about the credibility of this or that programs? Do you engage kids in discussioins about health or morals, values or decisions which tv is not discussing. 
Slippery slope? Burying my head? 
one of the coolest opportunities we have to preach some moderation - kids are tired of being preached at by a bunch of adults. The kids I work with, the ones involved in community and trying to create programs to help other kids stay away from drugs, alcohol and get them away from tv are saying &quot;Quit talking and start walking.&quot; You want kids to do move, then they have to have the examples from adults. Otherwise it&#039;s all hot air. They don&#039;t need you preaching at them - they&#039;re SICK OF IT. They want you to help them organize things to do, help them by advocating for them - NOT preaching at them. They want to be active, really they do. But, for many of them, there is nothing to do - they have no place safe to go so they stay home and watch tv. Action speaks louder than words - over and over I&#039;ve seen this happen. Why - because I&#039;ve made the choice to not watch but instead engage the kids in other ways. Never have had an empty gym or activity but it takes all kinds of time and dedication, hours spent getting money and grants and inviting kids and building a sense among kids that there are other things to do besides watch tv. Now, it&#039;s trying to get the adults to buy in so that they can provide the example for the kids. To get the adults to go out and have activities wihtout drinking and the other things that usually happen. So k ids can see that it is possible.  As for engaging them to talk about what they watch - I will suggest that I get more conversation about their lives during our games and events than you&#039;ll ever get talking tv shows or whatever. Your premise for watching tv - so we can preach to them about moderation - another adult who thinks they know it. Show them they can do other things instead of watch tv and they will. Give them options and most will take them. Provide them encouragement and they will try.  &quot;Y’all are taking yourselves out of the game and I’ve got only swells of pity for that.&quot; We don&#039;t need your pity - it worthless - because as you&#039;re talking many of us are doing - engaging and working with kids. Really, I pity that you truly believe that you can talk them into moderation. Kids watch your actions - and unless it jives with what you say - they&#039;ll dismiss it out-of-hand. Try it, it just might surprise you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, What are you doing to engage kids away from tv? What options are you actually doing &#8211; what tangible things are you doing to demonstrate to kids that, yes, there are options other than watching television? Or do you just talk? Do you get past talking about the credibility of this or that programs? Do you engage kids in discussioins about health or morals, values or decisions which tv is not discussing.<br />
Slippery slope? Burying my head?<br />
one of the coolest opportunities we have to preach some moderation &#8211; kids are tired of being preached at by a bunch of adults. The kids I work with, the ones involved in community and trying to create programs to help other kids stay away from drugs, alcohol and get them away from tv are saying &#8220;Quit talking and start walking.&#8221; You want kids to do move, then they have to have the examples from adults. Otherwise it&#8217;s all hot air. They don&#8217;t need you preaching at them &#8211; they&#8217;re SICK OF IT. They want you to help them organize things to do, help them by advocating for them &#8211; NOT preaching at them. They want to be active, really they do. But, for many of them, there is nothing to do &#8211; they have no place safe to go so they stay home and watch tv. Action speaks louder than words &#8211; over and over I&#8217;ve seen this happen. Why &#8211; because I&#8217;ve made the choice to not watch but instead engage the kids in other ways. Never have had an empty gym or activity but it takes all kinds of time and dedication, hours spent getting money and grants and inviting kids and building a sense among kids that there are other things to do besides watch tv. Now, it&#8217;s trying to get the adults to buy in so that they can provide the example for the kids. To get the adults to go out and have activities wihtout drinking and the other things that usually happen. So k ids can see that it is possible.  As for engaging them to talk about what they watch &#8211; I will suggest that I get more conversation about their lives during our games and events than you&#8217;ll ever get talking tv shows or whatever. Your premise for watching tv &#8211; so we can preach to them about moderation &#8211; another adult who thinks they know it. Show them they can do other things instead of watch tv and they will. Give them options and most will take them. Provide them encouragement and they will try.  &#8220;Y’all are taking yourselves out of the game and I’ve got only swells of pity for that.&#8221; We don&#8217;t need your pity &#8211; it worthless &#8211; because as you&#8217;re talking many of us are doing &#8211; engaging and working with kids. Really, I pity that you truly believe that you can talk them into moderation. Kids watch your actions &#8211; and unless it jives with what you say &#8211; they&#8217;ll dismiss it out-of-hand. Try it, it just might surprise you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Meyer</title>
		<link>http://www.crucialthought.com/2007/06/19/i-am-not-anti-television-i-just-dont-watch-it/comment-page-1/#comment-21687</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, that makes sense.  And if I ever have kids, I imagine the leash I lash around t.v. is going to be pretty tight, hopefully without affecting my ability to engage my kids on the matter.  In the world but not of it.  That sort of thing.

The conversation here has since grown to include several other participants, with motivations and convictions varying.  With my most recent comment, I wanted to suss out the underlying motivation for exterminating an entire medium (which seems to be Jim&#039;s position).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, that makes sense.  And if I ever have kids, I imagine the leash I lash around t.v. is going to be pretty tight, hopefully without affecting my ability to engage my kids on the matter.  In the world but not of it.  That sort of thing.</p>
<p>The conversation here has since grown to include several other participants, with motivations and convictions varying.  With my most recent comment, I wanted to suss out the underlying motivation for exterminating an entire medium (which seems to be Jim&#8217;s position).</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, you say...

So fine, let’s try this another way. Just so I’m straight: we’re all, like, lose t.v. because America (in general) and our students (in particular) waste too much time in front of it and what time they spend is pretty unedifying.

Am I clear on that? That’s the rationale?

No. It&#039;s not. I was not making a political statement (aside from my original google trends bad joke about the trends i took the screenshot of).

My whole deal about television has nothing to do with anyone else but me. Here&#039;s the deal.

1. I spent too many years on the couch watching way too much tv.

2. I can&#039;t handle tv. That&#039;s my deal and my problem.

3. I feel convicted when I watch tv.

4. Therefore I don&#039;t watch tv. You&#039;ll fuss at me for &quot;dipping into Christian parlance&quot; but that&#039;s my base. For me, just me.

Look, tv is not inherently bad. This is not a medium-is-the-message discussion. This is just my thing. We as a family do better without it.

And truth be told, I can&#039;t afford it anyway and antennas don&#039;t work. So unless someone wants to fork out for cable, the entire deal is moot.

Please understand that this is just my deal, and I was never making any kind of broad statement about our kids spending too much time there, etc. There is no slippery slope here, sir, and I really don&#039;t think I&#039;m a snob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, you say&#8230;</p>
<p>So fine, let’s try this another way. Just so I’m straight: we’re all, like, lose t.v. because America (in general) and our students (in particular) waste too much time in front of it and what time they spend is pretty unedifying.</p>
<p>Am I clear on that? That’s the rationale?</p>
<p>No. It&#8217;s not. I was not making a political statement (aside from my original google trends bad joke about the trends i took the screenshot of).</p>
<p>My whole deal about television has nothing to do with anyone else but me. Here&#8217;s the deal.</p>
<p>1. I spent too many years on the couch watching way too much tv.</p>
<p>2. I can&#8217;t handle tv. That&#8217;s my deal and my problem.</p>
<p>3. I feel convicted when I watch tv.</p>
<p>4. Therefore I don&#8217;t watch tv. You&#8217;ll fuss at me for &#8220;dipping into Christian parlance&#8221; but that&#8217;s my base. For me, just me.</p>
<p>Look, tv is not inherently bad. This is not a medium-is-the-message discussion. This is just my thing. We as a family do better without it.</p>
<p>And truth be told, I can&#8217;t afford it anyway and antennas don&#8217;t work. So unless someone wants to fork out for cable, the entire deal is moot.</p>
<p>Please understand that this is just my deal, and I was never making any kind of broad statement about our kids spending too much time there, etc. There is no slippery slope here, sir, and I really don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m a snob.</p>
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		<title>By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Shoot The Messenger Not The Medium</title>
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		<dc:creator>dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Shoot The Messenger Not The Medium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; TV snobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; TV snobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan Meyer</title>
		<link>http://www.crucialthought.com/2007/06/19/i-am-not-anti-television-i-just-dont-watch-it/comment-page-1/#comment-21607</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moral equivalence I&#039;m pushing between blogs &amp; books &amp; music &amp; t.v. -- all empty vessels to be filled with either garbage or gold -- is getting a loud *thbbt!* from the crowd.  &lt;em&gt;Clearly&lt;/em&gt; no one&#039;s buying it.

So fine, let&#039;s try this another way.  Just so I&#039;m straight: we&#039;re all, like, lose t.v. because America (in general) and our students (in particular) waste &lt;em&gt;too&lt;/em&gt; much time in front of it and what time they spend is pretty unedifying.

Am I clear on that?  That&#039;s the rationale?

So what &lt;em&gt;else&lt;/em&gt; do we get rid of?  Movies?  Summer blockbusters?  Music that talks about killing cops?  Violent video games?  Bloggers who threaten other bloggers?  Free speech?  Who decides?  You?  Me?  The government?

Y&#039;all don&#039;t seem to realize the slippery slope you&#039;re standing on, which would be merely provocative if you were my old college roommate and we were knocking back Blue Ribbons on adirondack chairs.  But y&#039;all are &lt;em&gt;educators&lt;/em&gt; and you&#039;re burying your heads on one of the coolest opportunities we &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to preach some moderation, to play a part in the redemption of corrupt forms.

Y&#039;all are taking yourselves out of the game and I&#039;ve got only swells of pity for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moral equivalence I&#8217;m pushing between blogs &amp; books &amp; music &amp; t.v. &#8212; all empty vessels to be filled with either garbage or gold &#8212; is getting a loud *thbbt!* from the crowd.  <em>Clearly</em> no one&#8217;s buying it.</p>
<p>So fine, let&#8217;s try this another way.  Just so I&#8217;m straight: we&#8217;re all, like, lose t.v. because America (in general) and our students (in particular) waste <em>too</em> much time in front of it and what time they spend is pretty unedifying.</p>
<p>Am I clear on that?  That&#8217;s the rationale?</p>
<p>So what <em>else</em> do we get rid of?  Movies?  Summer blockbusters?  Music that talks about killing cops?  Violent video games?  Bloggers who threaten other bloggers?  Free speech?  Who decides?  You?  Me?  The government?</p>
<p>Y&#8217;all don&#8217;t seem to realize the slippery slope you&#8217;re standing on, which would be merely provocative if you were my old college roommate and we were knocking back Blue Ribbons on adirondack chairs.  But y&#8217;all are <em>educators</em> and you&#8217;re burying your heads on one of the coolest opportunities we <em>have</em> to preach some moderation, to play a part in the redemption of corrupt forms.</p>
<p>Y&#8217;all are taking yourselves out of the game and I&#8217;ve got only swells of pity for that.</p>
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